08-09-2010
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by scheides
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and pictured, is pointless. Negative camber is all about gaining maximum tire contact patch when the car is leaned over, running a tire flat on the ground while going straight will pull the inner edge up in a corner while a car running negative camber with traditional tires will have a larger contact patch on the road.
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I agree with Kracka.
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08-09-2010
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Shit Rocket Pilot
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and picture, is pointless.
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I agree completely. 0 degrees is 0 degrees, regardless of what the wheel is doing. If the tire is flat when it's static then it's still going to want to roll in a corner, and a taller outside sidewall is only going to make that worse.
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08-09-2010
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Levant IX
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Re: Camber Tires - built in 2°
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
Since one sidewall is shorter than the other that means the tread itself is angled 2 degrees, which is what would happen if you put 2 degrees of camber into the suspension with a square tire.
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Correct. We're on the same page regarding that.
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Originally Posted by scheides
I think the negative camber is to offset the camber of the tire and make the tire sit flat on the ground all the time. A lot of guys run -2.5° of camber in the front anyways, right, so what would happen if you took this tire and ran the suspension at, say, -5° of camber.
The interesting side effect to this tire that is kinda neat is that it eats up the road a little nicer while cruising. Totally not what I would have thought of but it makes 100% perfect sense. Instead of the force of the road traveling straight up the sidewall, it is at an angle, so the sidewalls sorta flex like an offset spring and eat some of the directional force.
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I would think you'd get -2° front camber if you did that, no?
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Running 0* front camber would do the same thing. The way I see it, using this tire as stated and pictured, is pointless. Negative camber is all about gaining maximum tire contact patch when the car is leaned over, running a tire flat on the ground while going straight will pull the inner edge up in a corner while a car running negative camber with traditional tires will have a larger contact patch on the road.
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If you left the suspension at 0°, wouldn't there be a ton of stress on the hub?
Also, wouldn't that mess up suspension geometry and such since your suspension components would be at positive camber, but your tires would be at their static camber?
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