Are you a "Useful Idiot"? DISCUSS

[1ViciousGSX]

I get what you're saying, that anybody can write anything at any given time. I understand that. And this is all for the purpose of discussion.

Stalin did use the term "Useful Idiots" for western supporters who were sympathetic to the communist cause. So it does raise the question "does our government get things done by using useful idiots"? I'd say they do. Jonathan Gruber even said that without the stupidity of the American voter, Obamacare would have never passed. So it leads to reasoning that through poverty, welfare and poor basic education that the government could be creating useful idiots on purpose. Look at Common Core which has been on the down turn since educators started figuring it out.

But let's just say beyond that, if you look at any of those 8 things listed, if they are happening, regardless of Alinksky or Stalin, would they be good or bad for the country and why?

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Stalin did use the term "Useful Idiots" for western supporters who were sympathetic to the communist cause. So it does raise the question "does our government get things done by using useful idiots"? I'd say they do. Jonathan Gruber even said that without the stupidity of the American voter, Obamacare would have never passed.

This is where the problem with using the term useful idiots. It's all a matter of opinion. Regardless of Jonathan Gruber's opinion, I'd vote for Obamacare again. According to you, that would make me a useful idiot. I'm not quite sure how to define "idiot", but I generally score in the 137 range on IQ tests, so I wouldn't qualify on that basis.

To review my stance on the 8 levels of control, refer to my alternate post and that's how I see things.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

This is where the problem with using the term useful idiots. It's all a matter of opinion. Regardless of Jonathan Gruber's opinion, I'd vote for Obamacare again. According to you, that would make me a useful idiot. I'm not quite sure how to define "idiot", but I generally score in the 137 range on IQ tests, so I wouldn't qualify on that basis.

To review my stance on the 8 levels of control, refer to my alternate post and that's how I see things.

Don't think I'm calling you a useful idiot, because I'm not. It's more of a generalized statement because there are many, LoL.

I'm enjoying the discussion though. And I'll be glad to continue it soon, gotta get back to work for the moment.

[jeremy1375]

I can understand that you're not outright calling me a useful idiot. Can you understand why I would think that that though? Your statement below essentially describes Obamacare voters as useful idiots. It's hard not to take it personally when I fit into the category you've just described.

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Stalin did use the term "Useful Idiots" for western supporters who were sympathetic to the communist cause. So it does raise the question "does our government get things done by using useful idiots"? I'd say they do. Jonathan Gruber even said that without the stupidity of the American voter, Obamacare would have never passed.