ENEOS oil: power adder or snake oil? - Page 3

jhaan_dude · 03-02-2008

sorry 420 i will work on my posting...

as for the lucas stabalizer in turbocharged cars, it is a big no no... when it makes it to the turbo, it basically becomes crystalized by the heat and causes a film to stick to the bearings of the turbo which later makes the bearing fail..

the only reason i would use lucas is in a big "na" v6 or v8 because they need all the help they can get with upper cylinder lubrication...

but nobody has answered my real question yet...has anyone used the lucas "sythetic oil" that i was talking about?

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

Good info to know, I will stay away from the lucas stabalizer. Thank god I never ended up running it last summer.

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DSM_420

Edit - I never go past 3.5k miles on an oil change, amsoil or not.

You are just wasting your money.

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

How long do you think you can legitally run AMSoil then? I replace the oil filter every oil change... and I never run an oil filter past 5k miles. So as long as I'm replacing that I might as well do the oil as well.

TheBlizzard · 03-02-2008

Put it this way; I did a basic comparison with two oils in my GTP. First I ran Castrol Syntec with a WIX filter; and what I did was just set the factory reset to 100% and then took note of the miles, it went 5400 miles before it went to 0% and needed to be changed. I also reset the mileage averaging system at the same time; over the coarse of 5400 miles it got 23.3mpg.

Then I chaned the oil; used a new WIX filter but this time I used Amsoil Synthetic, the car went 7100 miles before it hit 0% and got 24.7mpg on the average. My driving styles didn't change either; I still beat the shit out of the car like I always do.

I am sure in both tests I could have went further with the oil but I just change it anyway. But I will note that neither oil showed much sign of break down when I changed it. And it was still at the exact full line when I changed it both times. So from the looks of it they were the same, but the numbers showed different in my case.

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

To be honest, the more I research Eneos the more leary I am to use it. The more I learn about this oil the more it seems like Royal Purple; great initial protection but junk after 1000 miles. Basically, this sounds like a race oil that needs to be replaced after every event. I will continue researching and make my final decision at a later date.

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

Put it this way; I did a basic comparison with two oils in my GTP. First I ran Castrol Syntec with a WIX filter; and what I did was just set the factory reset to 100% and then took note of the miles, it went 5400 miles before it went to 0% and needed to be changed. I also reset the mileage averaging system at the same time; over the coarse of 5400 miles it got 23.3mpg.

Then I chaned the oil; used a new WIX filter but this time I used Amsoil Synthetic, the car went 7100 miles before it hit 0% and got 24.7mpg on the average. My driving styles didn't change either; I still beat the shit out of the car like I always do.

I am sure in both tests I could have went further with the oil but I just change it anyway. But I will note that neither oil showed much sign of break down when I changed it. And it was still at the exact full line when I changed it both times. So from the looks of it they were the same, but the numbers showed different in my case.

Craig, I doubt that computer on your GTP has any type of true oil analysis capabilities. My guess is that it calculates the oil life left based off of time, engine RPM, ambient temp, engine temp, and throttle position. The Amsoil lasting longer and getting better MPG leads me to believe the car was either driven easier (even if you didn't knowingly do it) or the ambient temp was more moderate (not really cold or really hot). I am not arguing with you here because I know that Amsoil does make a good product and it always performs very well in tests and comparisons.

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by jhaan_dude

has anybody tried the lucas oil turbo motor oil?!?!?

From all the reading and researching I have been doing lately regarding oils and lubricants has taught me something; Lucas products, especially their gear lubes, suck major donkey balls and you'd seriously be better off with the cheap no-name generics that come in 5 gallon pails.

jhaan_dude · 03-02-2008

to answer 420s question...its unknown how long amsoil will last...

i believe that there was a thread here that talked about a test done with amsoil and mobil clean 3k..

the amsoil was put in a brand new camaro and has never had an oil change since 2002 and has 40k+ on it, and they tested the oil every 1k to make sure it was "lubricating"...

personally i run the 25k oil and filter from amsoil and my car love it...actually my fionces pt cruiser (pussy and tits)

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by jhaan_dude

the amsoil was put in a brand new camaro and has never had an oil change since 2002 and has 40k+ on it, and they tested the oil every 1k to make sure it was "lubricating"...

Unless there were two very similar tests done, I believe you are thinking of the test with Mobil 1 that was run in a Camaro for 25k+ miles and the oil was still showing signs of having life left in it after being analyzed.

Also, you mention Mobil Clean 3k, its actually Mobil Clean 5000 which is a mediocre conventional oil; not a bad oil, but there are better conventional alternatives available.

Not trying to nitpick at you, I just want to make sure the info in this thread is at least semi-accurate

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

I could never let my self go 25k without changing the oil. Although I would hit the 1 year mark (where AMSoil suggest changing) before hitting 25k miles. I guess maybe this summer I will only need to change my oil once, since I put on less than 10k in a summer.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-02-2008

Rotella T!!

jhaan_dude · 03-02-2008

and kracka i believe what blizzard has to say about the amsoil getting better gas economy.

like i stated before my pt cruiser usually gets like 22-23 depending on how i drive it(not much change day to day)...

when i switched to amsoil i am now getting 25-26...i believe it has to do with how thick the oil is when you start it up and the lubricting properties it has at 40 degres and below outside!!!

if you take a bottle of castrol and a bottle of amsoil and put them in your freezer overnight and poor them out the next day the amsoil has thickend up at all, where as the castrol looks like lucas on a hot day!!!

that and the fact that castrol is only rated to 5k and amsoil is rated to 7.5k with a standard filter and 15k with an amsoil filter my play a big part in the difference of blizzards numbers...

jhaan_dude · 03-02-2008

i know, i know, i have way to much time on my hands to learn all this crap....

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

AMSoil and their filters are rated until 25k or 1 year, whatever comes first. I don't believe it has been rated for 15k for a couple of years now.

But Kracka, is all mobil 1 a full synthetic or only the 15k extended life? I think thats what they call it.

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

Mobil 1 has not been a true 100% synthetic in North America since they lost their court battle vs. Castrol. I do not know much about their Extended Life, High Mileage, or any other niche lines. Do not take this info the wrong way though, Mobil 1 is still a very good oil. Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec are both among the best off the shelf synthetics available; Redline and Amsoil are among the best specialty synthetic engine oils. I currently run Mobil 1 in my Evo since its factory fill, that may or may not be changing in the near future, I am undecided about Eneos yet (but its not lookign good) and I'm also considering Syntec. Until the Evo I never ran synthetic engine oils since conventionals have come a long way recently and offer terrific protection.

Oil generally wears out due to the additive package breaking down, not the oil becoming dirty (assuming you are using a quality filter i.e. NOT Fram). An oil’s color is generally of no indication to its remaining life. I personally think a lot of Amsoil's claims are a marketing ploy and not necessarily fact-driven. Their oil filters are decent, but the OEM Mitsu or a Wix are a better choice (reputable Amsoil dealers agree to this).

Shane, Shell Rotella-T is a great conventional oil; as is Mobil's Delco line.

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

Thank god someone can agree with me that Fram makes a shit filter. Napa Gold ftw!

**Kracka** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DSM_420

Thank god someone can agree with me that Fram makes a shit filter. Napa Gold ftw!

Fram (made by Allied Signal which is owned by Honeywell) makes a terrible product. Their oil filters, air filters, etc. are all junk. You are MUCH better off with the SuperTech oil filters that WalMart sells for $2.

DSM_421 · 03-02-2008

Napa Gold is a Wix filter btw, incase anyone was wondering.

**Halon** · 03-03-2008

Pennzoil Platinum synthetic is being regarded by many over on BITOG as being right up at the top as far as off the shelf synthetics go also. People are often rating it higher than the US Castrol Syn.