02-28-2013
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immune from paybans
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by DVS_DAN
If MAP built your car and then tuned it, they *should have* changed the oil after the initial break-in and tuning.
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It's not tuned, this thread is about how many miles to put on the car before tuning. Looks like he is bringing it to DB after initial break-in.
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02-28-2013
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#42
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: Glendive, Montana
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
I am glad he is asking about this cause I was a little worried on mine car too. Bad thing is i dont have a tuner anywhere near me. And I would love to have MAP or DB do it, but thats at least a 10 hour drive just to them. So hopefully the tune on my DSM Link chip will be enough for a little while.
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02-28-2013
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#43
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by DVS_DAN
I should back up and ask where you're at in the process. Did MAP A)rebuild your engine and you installed it, B)they rebuilt and installed it, or C)they rebuilt, installed, and street tuned it?
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Map built my shortblock, cylinder head express built my head, I assembled the long block, and pushit2.0 degreed my cams. Then I installed the engine. It is running on a partial tune from last year that makes it driveable but I can't beat on it. So once the initial break I am of the engine is done I will be bringing it to Shane up at db performance for a tune
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02-28-2013
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#44
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formerly ecoli
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Regarding your "Wat?", just imagine the lawsuit if they were to crash a car while street-tuning. From the car's owner, driver of the car they hit, any passengers they hit, owners of other damaged property, etc. Basically, a good lawyer would put them out of business since I guarantee no business insurance policy covers illegal street tuning, and no tuning waiver will hold up in court if it was performed illegally.
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Yea, old school DSMer/Fabricator Wes Hess died in a street tuning accident a few years back.
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02-28-2013
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
That was tragic! Sad thing was he had no control over the situation and was not operating the car!
I can see street tuning drive-ability but the high power pulls, take it to a dyno. Not worth risking your life or someone elses.
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02-28-2013
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#46
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ramsey, MN
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
Map built my shortblock, cylinder head express built my head, I assembled the long block, and pushit2.0 degreed my cams. Then I installed the engine. It is running on a partial tune from last year that makes it driveable but I can't beat on it. So once the initial break I am of the engine is done I will be bringing it to Shane up at db performance for a tune
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Gotcha, so you would work from the initial break-in period. Sounds like you have a good plan. I believe most guys use a different weight oil during break-in too, like a lighter 5w-30 before going to 20w-50.
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02-28-2013
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#47
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
Yeah one I switch from the amsoil break in I'll probably run a 5w30 conventional at least until it gets warmer out
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03-01-2013
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#48
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ramsey, MN
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by asshanson
It's not tuned, this thread is about how many miles to put on the car before tuning. Looks like he is bringing it to DB after initial break-in.
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I was charged $320 bucks for tuning after mine was installed, during initial break-in. I assume that's standard practice?
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03-01-2013
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#49
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
I guess I don't really know. This is my first brand new engine and usually do most of my own work. But 300-400 for a tune sounds about the norm for a tune
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03-01-2013
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Pewp Champion
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
If you have some sort of built up resentment towards MAP, could you please take it somewhere else other than right here.
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03-01-2013
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#51
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
But 300-400 for a tune sounds about the norm for a tune
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Agreed. Dyno and tuner time costs money.
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I agree with Kracka.
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03-01-2013
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#52
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
Plus to me an extra 300-400 to make sure that everything is perfect with a new engine is cheap insurance considering the cost of building the engine
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03-01-2013
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#53
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Transmission destroyer
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cambridge
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Last I heard they still have Jordan, unless he just quit or maybe they're looking for another.
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Idk, they were taking resume's last week on facebook and looking for another person the way it sounded. Not sure what the deal is, if they are looking for an additional one, or a replacement.
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Regarding your "Wat?", just imagine the lawsuit if they were to crash a car while street-tuning. From the car's owner, driver of the car they hit, any passengers they hit, owners of other damaged property, etc. Basically, a good lawyer would put them out of business since I guarantee no business insurance policy covers illegal street tuning, and no tuning waiver will hold up in court if it was performed illegally.
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Yea, I understand that. I just know a number of tuning shops around the metro area do some form of road tuning from time to time.
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Originally Posted by EclipseGST
I can see street tuning drive-ability but the high power pulls, take it to a dyno. Not worth risking your life or someone elses.
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Yes, this I'm pretty sure is probably what the above mentioned shops do when they take a car out on the street for tuning.
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Originally Posted by DVS_DAN
I was charged $320 bucks for tuning after mine was installed, during initial break-in. I assume that's standard practice?
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Yep, right around $300ish sounds right.
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03-01-2013
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#54
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
Not sure what's going on here, but you can rent dyno time and tune it yourself....
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03-01-2013
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#55
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ramsey, MN
Drives: 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 GSR
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by Halon
If you have some sort of built up resentment towards MAP, could you please take it somewhere else other than right here.
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Woah, this was taken the wrong way... I need to specify that my question was focused on whether or not getting an initial tune was standard practice since I paid for one but 4Seasons' car hadn't had a break-in tune and I wasn't sure if needed one or not? The tuning pricing is what it is and I've actually found MAP's prices for everything to be reasonable, parts and services. Not bad for one of the nicest shops in the midwest.
I just confirmed my car got a break-in tune after coincidentally talking to Nick this morning about something else. A break-in tune is done to keep the engine at a conservative level. The timing and things are set a little rich for break-in. Like he mentioned earlier in this thread, it is also tuned wide open so you can let er buck, but not recommended of course.
Also, talking with him about oil, I'm going to swap out now (600 miles) to a final oil choice like Amsoil Dominator or Z Rod. It would be better to be running a winter blend since Break-In oil is a single weight 30w. I believe that was the jist of the conversation. It's great to get a hold of them and pick their brain once in a while.
Last edited by DVS_DAN; 03-01-2013 at 10:13 AM..
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03-01-2013
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#56
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Circle Pines
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
I hear where you're coming from. Personally my car runs alright as is plus I have a wide band and the aem program so if I need to adjust afrs during break in i can. Also since my car is not tuned that is why I am going to bring it in for a tune as soon as I can
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03-01-2013
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#57
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
Not sure what's going on here, but you can rent dyno time and tune it yourself....
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Dyno rental time still requires an operator, so in the end it'll probably cost you more than just paying for a tune.
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I agree with Kracka.
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03-01-2013
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#58
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g
Not sure what's going on here, but you can rent dyno time and tune it yourself....
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Honestly i would love to tune my car myself but with the power I'm going for and with the money I have invested in this car it just isn't worth the risk. In all seriousness though once I get some of my tool debt paid down going to school for tuning is something I would really like to do
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03-01-2013
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#59
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ramsey, MN
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
Honestly i would love to tune my car myself but with the power I'm going for and with the money I have invested in this car it just isn't worth the risk.
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AGREED, I'm in the same boat. Do it once by doing it right the first time.
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03-01-2013
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#60
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
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Re: How many miles before getting a tune?
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Dyno rental time still requires an operator, so in the end it'll probably cost you more than just paying for a tune.
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The rates are usually cheaper, but if you don't know then yes I agree.
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Originally Posted by 4seasons69
Honestly i would love to tune my car myself but with the power I'm going for and with the money I have invested in this car it just isn't worth the risk. In all seriousness though once I get some of my tool debt paid down going to school for tuning is something I would really like to do
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